键盘侠同样是擅造犯规的进攻杀器但在季后赛巅峰哈登没SGA强

近日，有美网友开帖发问，同样是擅造犯规的进攻杀器，为何在季后赛亚历山大比巅峰哈登更稳？

Why is Prime Shai better in the playoffs than Prime James harden? Both of them shoot lots of free throws in the regular season, but Shai’s game translates better in the playoffs than James harden?

为何巅峰期的亚历山大在季后赛表现优于巅峰期的哈登？两人在常规赛都频频通过罚球得分，但亚历山大的打法在季后赛中显得更为稳健。

[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 47 points an hour ago

Shai doesn't run into the 2015-2019 Warriors every year.

猛龙球迷：帖主张口就来…亚历山大又不用年年季后赛都碰上2015-2019那几年的宇宙勇…

[–]Kindly_Letterhead_98[S] 2 points an hour ago

Harden had like 10 points in game 6 shooting 18% vs the spurs in 2017 lol

Edit: Don't know any ELITE star who had such a bad game in the playoffs lol

球迷：哈登在2017年对马刺的G6好像只拿了10分，命中率18%，哈哈哈…

补充：我真不知道还有哪个顶级球星在季后赛打出过这么辣眼睛的比赛，哈哈哈哈…

注：2017年西部半决赛G6，火箭对阵马刺的比赛，哈登全场11投2中，仅得到10分7助攻，并送出6次失误，末节0分，最终火箭2-4遭到马刺淘汰。

[–]dogsh1tmods [score hidden] 36 minutes ago

The GOAT scored 8 points and was outscored by a role player in the finals

球迷：这算什么…我们的GOAT还在总决赛里拿过8分…得分还没个角色球员高呢…

[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 7 points an hour ago

Harden is def a playoff choker but the competition in the West is not comparable imo. Those Spurs/Warriors teams would dominate the current West

猛龙球迷：哈登确实是季后赛软脚虾，但我认为当时的西部竞争强度和现在根本不是一个档次的存在，那几年的马刺和勇士队能碾压现在的西部…

[–]Heatfrostfeint3 -3 points an hour ago

It went from "doesn't run into 2015-2019 Warriors every year" to "Those Spurs/Warriors team" lol, like Kobe said, the way Harden plays just doesn't work in the playoffs, he depends way too much on drawing fouls, Shai could still do a lot of things aside from drawing fouls, he's way more consistent compared to Harden

热火球迷：这话题怎么从“SGA运气好不用年年碰上15-19勇士”变成“话说...那些年的马刺/勇士队...”了，哈哈哈…就像科比说的，哈登那种打法在季后赛行不通的，他太依赖造犯规了…而SGA除了造犯规还有很多手段，所以他比哈登稳定多了…

[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 3 points 59 minutes ago

The top of the west was stacked with insane teams. Way harder gauntlet than the current west.

猛龙球迷：当年西部强队如云，想突围比现在可难太多了…

[–]Thunderchef_iblocka 1 point 55 minutes ago

What is your argument that the Spurs beat the Thunder? I feel like you're arguing based on nostalgia

雷霆球迷：你凭什么说当年的马刺就能赢现在的雷霆？我感觉你完全是凭着一腔子情怀在这里激辩…

[–][LAC] James Hardenharden-back 4 points 53 minutes ago

67-15 spurs and 73-9 warriors they had competition

快船球迷：67胜15负的马刺和73胜9负的勇士，你想象下当年西部那降维般的压迫感…

[–]Heatfrostfeint3 0 points 51 minutes ago

So that one year, yes？

热火球迷：你说的，就是那一年，是吗？

注：2015-16赛季，勇士在常规赛打出73胜9负的创历史战绩，杀穿西部；而同时，那赛季的马刺也不遑多让，拿下67胜15负！

[–]SilverExcellent4679 1 point an hour ago

I mean it's just the truth. Shais game doesn't necessarily translate better. Hes just not facing the 60+ win teams harden was facing like the spurs and warriors of that time

球迷：实话实说而已。SGA未必就比哈登稳，他只是没像哈登那样年年遇上马刺、勇士那种60+胜场的队伍罢了…

[–]Thunderchef_iblocka -4 points 56 minutes ago

The only warriors team in that range that beats a healthy thunder are the 2017 warriors

雷霆球迷：那几年的勇士虽然所向披靡，但是能击败当今这支完全健康的雷霆队的，只有2017年那支勇士队…

[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 7 points 55 minutes ago

Y'all let the championship get to your head if you genuinely believe this

猛龙球迷：你们真信楼上的？拿了个总冠军，还真把自己当盘儿菜了是吧？

[–]LakersIMadeThisOn6-28-2015 2 points 53 minutes ago

Yeah no, they're not beating any of those years. If LeBron could barely do it once on a miracle 3-1 comeback, 2025 OKC sure isn't doing it. Their best chance is that 2015 Warriors.

湖人球迷：当然不信！可拉倒吧！这支雷霆哪一年（2016-2019）的勇士都打不过！当年詹姆斯拼了老命，才靠1-3奇迹翻盘赢了一次，2025年的雷霆肯定没戏！他们最有希望赢的可能是2015年那支勇士…

[–]GiddeysDiddyParty [score hidden] 49 minutes ago

they need Kyrie. all-time legendary series from him capped off with the gamewinner

球迷：2016年骑士夺冠全靠欧文！他那轮总决赛的发挥堪称史诗级别，用一记三分绝杀，给那次历史级别的总决赛画上句号！

[–]Knicksclownus [score hidden] 47 minutes ago

Okc is very good and Shai is one of the best. But comparing OKC to Cleveland/warriors/spurs from those times is pretty silly. Lebron and curry during those playoff duels was equivalent to having a Jokic on each team.

Then add the 2nd best shooter of all time and dpoy Draymond versus pre-crazy kyrie and Kevin love.

The only team OKC is beating is the kyrie less Cavs. It took LeBron and kyrie having double 40 bombs to beat the Harrison Barnes version.

尼克斯球迷：雷霆确实很强，SGA也是顶级球员！但拿这支雷霆和当年的骑士/勇士/马刺比实在太蠢了…那几年詹库的季后赛对决，相当于如今的两个约基奇对打，堪称火星撞地球啊！

再加上历史第二射手和DPOY追梦，对位的还是（非究极形态）的欧文和乐福。

雷霆唯一可能赢的就是缺少欧文的骑士…要知道，当年詹欧双双砍下40+才将将击败了（由哈里森·巴恩斯主导的进攻）那支勇士。

[–]Lakerspokerawz 15 points an hour ago

Well firstly, way better roster.

湖人球迷：为什么SGA在季后赛更好？首先，因为（这支雷霆的）阵容好太多了啊…

[–]ThunderExtra_Barracuda4415 -3 points an hour ago

Secondly, better player.

雷霆球迷：其次，（亚历山大是）更好的球员～

[–]Kindly_Letterhead_98[S] 3 points an hour ago

2018 rockets was an insane roster

帖主：2018火箭的阵容也很牛X啊…

[–]Lakerspokerawz 8 points an hour ago

Great roster and only really lost to one of the best teams of all time.

湖人球迷：当年的火箭阵容很牛逼，而且只不过是输给了历史最强球队之一而已…

[–]Charlotte BobcatsNotManyBuses 2 points an hour ago

Until it wasn't

山猫队球迷：到了关键时刻掉链子的时候，当年的火蜜又会说那套阵容烂…

[–][SEA] Kevin DurantWestleyThe [score hidden] 32 minutes ago

And they were one cold shooting streak away from beating the KD warriors….

That warriors team beats this current thunder team

杜兰特球迷：要不是他们（火箭）突发恶疾手感冰凉，差一点就能击败拥有KD的勇士了…当年那支勇士队绝对能打爆现在这支雷霆。

注：2018年的西部决赛抢七大战，火箭队主场92-101不敌勇士，全场三分44投仅7中，其中连续27投三分不中，创下NBA季后赛单场三分打铁记录。

[–]RocketsTheGargageMan 4 points an hour ago

It is a mystery

火箭球迷：为啥SGA季后赛更好？这是个未解之谜…

[–]Thanos_SlayerCongSan 4 points 52 minutes ago

Harden had choke so many elimination games in his career, you can easily google that

球迷：哈登在职业生涯生死战中掉链子的次数太多了，你随便一搜就知道…

[–]LakersllorTMasterFlex 5 points an hour ago

SGA takes his physical conditioning very seriously. You will never see a fat Shai. Being consistent is not a meme.

湖人球迷：SGA对身体状态的管理非常认真，你永远看不到一个大腹便便的亚历山大…保持稳定可不是闹着玩的…

[–]kobbled 2 points 55 minutes ago

watch the warriors-rockets series

球迷：SGA比哈登强？你还是先去看看火箭对勇士的系列赛吧…

[–]lexington59 [score hidden] 38 minutes ago

1 of them is 3 point shot or at the rim attempt or bust player, 1 is a midrange specialist.

3 point shots are notoriously inconsistent, even curry has awful games from 3, and in a 7 game series being heliocentric makes it easier for teams to prep around and key in on the 1 player plus harden has only really had 1 really complete roster even close to the thunders level and that took an extreme cold streak for them to lose with missing over 20 3s in a row.

Whereas sga plays on a stacked team and plays a more drive and kick style, that is a little harder to prep against.

That plus sga is just really fucking elite at driving better than harden has even been and harden in his prime was a good driver, that's how good sga is at driving makes it so you are forced to foul or just kinda force him into a midrange shot (and midrange are much more consistent than 3s at the expense of being less efficient unless you hit an insane rate)

With 3s it's expected to have the occasional 20 percent game followed by a 40, followed by a 33, followed by a 50.

Whereas midrange it's mire 40-50-45-40, ect so it's just easier to have a better baseline and are less prone to bad shooting nights

球迷：一个（哈登）是，要么投三分要么就是冲击篮筐，这两招鲜一不灵就立马歇菜；另一个（亚历山大）是中距离专家。

而三分球是一项出了名不稳定的技能，就连库里也有三分失准的比赛…而且在七场系列赛中，持球大核打法更容易遭到对手针对性的布防，而且哈登真正拥有的、接近当今雷霆队水平的完整阵容也就一次（2018年），就那一次他们还因为极端的手感冰凉（连续投丢20多个三分）才输掉的…

而SGA所在的球队阵容深厚，他打的是更多突分风格的篮球，这样的打法就更难针对一些…再加上SGA的突破能力简直他妈的是精英级别，比哈登任何时候都要好（哈登巅峰期突破其实也不错的），可见SGA的突破有多强，逼得你只能犯规，或者勉强逼他出手中距离（中距离比三分稳定得多，代价是效率稍低，除非你准得离谱）。

投三分的话，可能这场20%，下场40%，再下场33%，再下场50%，起伏大是很正常的…

而中距离更像是40%、50%、45%、40%等等，所以更容易有一个较好的基础准头，更不容易遇到糟糕的手感冰凉之夜…

[–]Humdiddledeedee [score hidden] 31 minutes ago

Well said. Another reason the midrange is an advantage is that it is a lot more reliable to draw fouls there. Especially in the playoffs.

When you're an elite mid-range threat it's a lot easier to get people to bite on pump fakes and use your footwork/midpost game to draw fouls as opposed to hardens tricks for people reaching on his drives / falling down on contested 3s.

球迷：说得好！中距离另一个优势是，更容易造犯规，尤其是在季后赛…

当你是一个顶级的中距离威胁时，你更容易用假动作点起对手，利用你的脚步和肘位背身技术来造犯规，这跟哈登那种靠对手掏他球（的时候抬手骗犯规）或者投三分时摔倒的把戏不一样…

[–]Thunderthetalkinghawk 3 points an hour ago

Shai has been king of the clutch during the playoffs. Any time the game or series was on the line, he did what he needed to do for the team to win. Plus having an incredible team of players bought into their system and culture is HUGE.

雷霆球迷：亚历山大在季后赛一直是关键先生。每当比赛或系列赛到了生死关头，他都能为球队赢球做出该做的贡献…再加上有一支相信球队体系和文化的神奇团队，珠联璧合！

[–]gcoles 3 points an hour ago

He gets the calls in the playoffs, and makes his shots. Also has a very good supporting cast

球迷：亚历山大更稳，是因为他在季后赛能得到哨子，并且能把球投进。同时还有非常好的队友支持。

[–]Spiritual-Bobcat5635 3 points an hour ago

Prime harden was better on offense, but not enough to close the gap in defense with prime Shai. Going SGA

球迷：巅峰哈登的进攻更好，但还不足以弥补他和巅峰亚历山大在防守端的差距…我选SGA…

[–]Thunderchef_iblocka 2 points 57 minutes ago

Shai is an elite tough shot maker which translates well to the playoffs.

雷霆球迷：亚历山大是一个非常擅长高难度投篮的精英级别射手，这点在季后赛很吃得开…

[–]HornetsRelativeHand4753 1 point an hour ago

Straight. Threes.

黄蜂球迷：说直白点…三分球害死人！

[–]PelicansAHSfav [score hidden] 22 minutes ago

Mostly referees

鹈鹕球迷：亚历山大主要还是靠裁判啊…

[–]Heatfrostfeint3 1 point an hour ago

The only similar playstyle they have is drawing fouls. Shai does a lot more than Harden and doesn't solely relies on shooting free throws. Like Kobe said, Harden playstyle does not work in the playoffs, and it shows.

Now, in Hardens defense, James Harden was basically the Rockets offense, once his offense does not work, it's hard for them to win because then they went from Harden Basketball to just throw it to someone hot and hope it works. It's very similar to the early days of Tatum Celtics. SGA has JDub as his second option, and the whole team is defensive minded including SGA. Harden is great in the post in defense but other than, he's a traffic cone, there's really not much he can do because he spends way more energy trying to score, that combine with his conditioning.. it's just a recipe for disaster. He gets lazy and shut down.

热火球迷：他俩唯一相似的打法就是造犯规…但是SGA比哈登做的事情要多得多，他不仅仅依赖罚球…就像科比说的，哈登的打法在季后赛行不通，事实也证明了这一点…

同时也为哈登说句公道话，他当年基本上就是火箭的整个进攻体系，一旦他的进攻失灵，球队就很难赢球，因为到了那时，球队战术就从“哈登战术体系”变成“谁手热谁来”了，这和早期塔图姆的凯尔特人很像…SGA有杰伦·威廉姆斯作为二当家，而且全队包括SGA自己都是防守型球员。哈登的低位防守不错，但除此之外就是个马路桩子，他实在做不了太多，因为他把更多精力花在进攻上，再加上他的体能状况…简直就是灾难…他一累会变得懒惰然后彻底熄火…

[–]Own_Elk_543 [score hidden] 42 minutes ago

Did you even watch Harden???? Dude was a multiple time assist leader and just all around offensive engine. Also why do you keep quoting Kobe? Kobe struggled in the playoffs too after Shaq left and people said the exact same thing about his play style and then the lakers got him better teammates and all of sudden the play style stuff didn't matter. Prime Harden pretty much exclusively lost to the Warriors in the playoffs and in every matchup they had the better team.

球迷：你到底看过哈登打球吗？？？这家伙拿过好几次助攻王，是个全能的进攻发动机！还有你为什么老是引用科比？科比在奥尼尔离开后季后赛也挣扎过，人们也说过同样诟病他打法的话，然后湖人给他找了更好的队友，然后突然他的打法问题就不重要了…巅峰哈登在季后赛几乎只输给过勇士，而且每次对决，勇士都是更强的那支球队…

[–]Heatfrostfeint3 [score hidden] 36 minutes ago

Did you read anything I just said? Stop spending your time defending him so much and read what I just said. Lakers played Kobe basketball until they got better teammates. Rockets played Harden basketball even when they did not work. Isn't obvious once CP3 went down, they lost in game 7?

It's just dumb that the Harden fans always tries to defend Harden with "well he got unlucky, went against Warriors dynasty". Brother, at this point, Hardens legacy is basically losing against the Warriors. LOSING. Harden fans really should try harder defending their player like he won MVP against LeBron James. Maybe you should praise him as one of the best offensive engine of all time, but it just doesn't work in the playoffs. Both can be right. SGA is just a better player compared to Harden because he played both side, so when his offense doesn't work, at least he has defense. What the fuck does Harden do when his offense doesn't work? Miss 27 straight 3 points?

热火球迷：你到底有没有读我刚才说的话啊？别光想着替哈登辩护，先好好读读我说了什么啊…湖人在阵容改善之前，迫不得已才打科比篮球的（科比作为持球大核），而反观火箭，他们是硬来啊，不管效果好不好，总是哈登作为持球大核，而且保罗一受伤他们就在G7输了，这还不明显（哈登持球大核打法在季后赛不行）吗？

哈登球迷总是用“他运气不好，碰上了勇士王朝”来辩护，这太蠢了…兄弟，到了如今这个地步，哈登的名声基本上就被贴上“输给勇士”的标签了…是个输家，懂？哈登球迷真的应该拿一些更有力的证据为他辩护才行！比如，哈登可是从詹姆斯手里抢到MVP的那个人啊！也许称赞他是史上最好的进攻发动机之一，确实没什么问题，但这他在季后赛就是行不通啊，这两点并不冲突…SGA就是比哈登更好的球员，因为他攻防一体，所以当他的进攻不灵时，至少还有防守。反观哈登，他进攻不灵时在他么干嘛呢？连续投丢27个三分吗？

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